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Well, hey, friends, welcome to the writing at the Red House podcast, where we gather at the table to break bread and tell tales with some of our favorite writers and creators who share their wisdom to help us all share our story. And today we are continuing our conversation about using writing as a platform for.

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Speaking and other streams of income. We want to help you find the.

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Intersection of your expertise, the world’s needs, and your passion so that you can start earning income as a writer. Join us in this conversation already in progress.

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Okay.

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Number two, supporting others in their writing.

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If you are an editor, a proofreader, a developmental editor, if those are skills.

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That you have and you’re really, really.

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Good at them, consider editing as a job.

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This is nothing I would ever do because I’m pretty severely dyslexic.

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Nobody wants me editing their stuff. But if this is stuff that you love to do.

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Most publishers, at least all the publishers.

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I’ve worked for, have inside and outside editors.

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So they have editors within their four walls that show up to work every.

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Day, and then they have editors who are sitting at home and editing with.

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A cup of tea.

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And so if that is something you’re.

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Interested in, and some of them do edit for, you know, traditional editing, make.

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Sure the period is where it needs to be.

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But like with my homesteading book, they.

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Had editors who specifically were looking at.

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The recipes to make sure that those all work, or looking at the DIY projects or et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So I had one editor, it was really funny.

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She went and read my last five.

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Books and said, hey, this content here.

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Is from a book you did with Sonderfend.

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Do you have permission to use it?

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I didn’t know I needed permission to.

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Use it because I wrote it, but I did.

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So I had to contact Zondervan.

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And so they’re looking to keep out of legal trouble.

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If this is something you’re interested in.

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Go to publishers websites, go to their pages, and I’m sure they have some kind of test, or they’ll have a trial of edit this document to see if you have the stuff to do it. I do not. There’s something else here.

Roger Lipp [00:03:07]:
We have a lot of interns that have started off. I have a passion project that I want to get to, and they join.

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Our intern program in order to kind of develop their skills and figure out the industry.

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And there’s been a number of interns that have landed squarely here in the support role, and they’ve discovered that for them, they love this support role. And they’re good at it, and they’re making money at it.

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Number of people I have bullied out.

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Of writing for their passion projects, or.

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At least I’ve bullied them out of.

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Doing it right now. Tanya Kubo, she wanted to write a book about being a working mother, and.

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She kept trying to push that Boulder.

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Uphill, push it up.

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I’m like, what are you doing?

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What are you doing?

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You’re so good at social media, and.

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So many writers need help with social media.

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Why are you doing this other thing? And you can do both.

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I feel like I’m in this category.

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I teach about writing, but I’m also a writer. And so go to these publishers, go to magazines that you are interested in.

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And blogs and see if they’re hiring.

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You know, especially if it’s something you’re already reading. That’s a great way to get started. I love that for you.

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Okay. Copywriting.

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Copywriting is simply writing to sell. It is Becky Keith, who’s part of.

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The teaching crew here on the collective.

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If this is something you’re interested in, we just paid. Do you remember how much we paid for her big copywriting project, Roger? We paid a lot of money.

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I think it was around $2,000, I think.

Roger Lipp [00:05:16]:
Yeah, something like that.

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Yeah.

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So Becky took a copywriting course, I think.

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I don’t remember how much it was, I’ll be honest with you, because I didn’t take it.

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She did, and then she hung out.

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Her shingle, and she still writes books.

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She has passion, projects, but this is.

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What pays the bills. This is what keeps coming, the money coming in.

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Oh, and Roger, just as we were.

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Talking about, and she’s not on the call anymore.

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She must have had to pop off.

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But Geminica came as an intern.

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She’s got a very organized mind, and now is my assistant.

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So we pay her. So, copywriting, almost every website, almost every company needs a copywriter. And there’s a formula for copywriting about.

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Creating a need, landing pages, that kind.

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Of thing that you may be really good at. And if you’re a really good copywriter.

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Who intern with you? I did her newsletter. Oh, I’m looking at this comment. I did her newsletter, and now I’m quite good at.

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Maybe I can find something in that line. Cecile. Yes. Kelly Willbanks is now, you know, she.

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Started doing our newsletter, and we’re like, you should build a business.

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And yes, if that is something you’re interested in and if you’re good at it and you enjoy it, I would.

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Find one or two other people that.

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You could do that for and then.

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Start looking for clients.

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And it’s not just other writers. You could do that for your dental office, for your plumber, you know, they need newsletters.

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Newsletter marketing is huge.

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Okay, part number four, content creation.

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Roger, could you talk a little bit about this, about the different places that we have listed here where you could.

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Be creating content and what that need is as well?

Roger Lipp [00:07:34]:
Oh, yeah. You know, content isn’t just a single thing.

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And I think finding your own place where your voice can be heard, where you can create and nobody else is.

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In charge, you know, it’s just your voice and your energy driving that is very important, not just from a social.

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Media perspective of, you know, being online.

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And being out there, but just to, in some sense, practice and develop and.

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Hone your writing skills such that it.

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Can land with an audience. So blogging is a great way to do that if you like writing in that kind of medium form, that blogging.

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Has social media, if you prefer the more short form.

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But think about how to craft your words and say that carefully so it lands.

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The thing I like about social media in that regard is that you get feedback right away. It’s almost a sense of monetization. It’s not really monetization because it’s just a thumbs up or a like or.

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Whatever a comment somebody has left, but it gives you a feel of, okay.

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When I set it this way, it landed. When I said it this way, it didn’t land.

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And what’s the difference there, I can.

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See Kathy has kind of gone through her own evolution of how she phrases things. She’s now able to.

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Connect with people so, so well and so deeply. And part of that has been honed through developing her voice in her podcast.

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Developing her voice in social media, and developing her voice in other writing opportunities that she’s had.

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So I think each one of these gives you an opportunity to connect with people and to hone your craft. I love podcasting for that reason. It’s not only a spoken medium.

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So from Kathy’s point of view, as.

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A speaker who has to write, as.

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Opposed to a writer who has to.

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Speak, you know, a podcast is a great opportunity to be refining and honing your craft in speaking, but it’s about the words.

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And so that also drives how you communicate through social media, etcetera.

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So there’s all kinds of different areas out there. The list is pretty broad, but those.

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Are the ones that we’ve kind of.

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Gravitated toward in terms of our own content creation yeah.

Kathi Lipp [00:10:24]:
Lisa, would you be willing to come.

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On camera and we can talk for a second?

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She said, I’m starting developmental editing.

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I’m doing five for free and then starting low on Fiverr and working up to on my fees.

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I did two and one, paid me $200.

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Yes, yes.

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We’ll have a question and answer after for sure. She may have stepped away from the.

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Microphone, so that’s okay.

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Let’s go to part five. So there are other avenues.

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You guys, let me be honest.

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You’re not going to make a lot.

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Of money with things like writing contests. But there is a group on Facebook.

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And I will give the link for it. Okay, Lisa’s here. I’ll come.

Lisa [00:11:15]:
Sorry, I was trying to figure out how.

Kathi Lipp [00:11:17]:
That’s okay. Give me 1 second and we’ll come back to you. There is a book, if you want.

Kathi Lipp [00:11:23]:
To do self published writing, there is a group on Facebook, it’s called 20 books to. It’s writing 20 books. They have a whole formula to getting to having a regular income. Now, I do not want to do that much writing in my life, but.

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I would say probably eight years ago.

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Maybe a little more.

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We had a friend at church, his.

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Name is Dan, and his wife was.

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Working for Adobe and making great money at Adobe. And she said, I want to quit.

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My job and write books. And I’m like, don’t do that.

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Don’t do that.

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Don’t quit your day job.

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Don’t do that. Guys.

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She’s replaced her income.

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Now.

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I would say that is the exception, not the rule. But it was so funny when my son, I put a post up on Facebook and this friend, her name’s RL be commented under it. My son’s like, how do you know rl king?

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I’m like, I actually don’t really know her.

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Roger and I met with her one time on. It’s probably Skype at that point.

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But he reads her.

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Like, my son reads these books.

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Like, to me, that’s just mind blowing.

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In what a small world, right? But.

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So the group on Facebook is called 20 books.

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20 books. To think the original intent. And I think this is what the founder of the group did.

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He gets.

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He earns fifty k a month. Now, you guys, I don’t even know how that’s possible, but there are people out there making a good income writing self published books.

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Now what I don’t want you to.

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Do that ad that’s going around for everybody. I’m sure you’ve seen it.

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Have AI write your books and become.

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Wealthy off of that.

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Don’t do that.

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Don’t do that. That’s gross.

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We love AI, but not for that.

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That’s gross.

Kathi Lipp [00:13:37]:
Okay, Lisa, tell us about your journey. Yeah, Jamonica’s part of it.

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I’m part of it, too.

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I’m just not doing it.

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I love to go in there and read the posts and stuff, but I’m just not doing.

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But I will tell you.

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And then, Lisa, I promise, we’re going to talk to you.

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Since you came off of camera, I mean, came onto camera so nicely, we.

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Just got the rights back to some of my books that maybe haven’t done.

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As well as we’d like, and we’re.

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Going to be republishing them as self.

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Published books, so we’ll let you know about that adventure.

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So, Lisa, tell us about being a developmental editor and fiverr and all the things.

Lisa [00:14:12]:
Yeah. Well, first of all, I worked in corporate America for 25 years. I ended as vice president and in charge of the public relations department at Wells Fargo for the Southern California division. So I have a lot of experience with writing to connect. So, anyways, fast forward. I started writing my book. My book is basically done, but I joined a memoir group, Penny Childers. Do you know her?

Kathi Lipp [00:14:47]:
Cathy. Yeah. Yeah.

Lisa [00:14:50]:
And so, basically, in that they were developmentally editing my book, and as I was theirs, like, month by month, and then when I got my manuscript to the point where I thought I couldn’t do anything else, I sent it to a developmental editor, Kathy. Remind me of her name. She’s yours.

Kathi Lipp [00:15:11]:
Lydia Smith.

Lisa [00:15:12]:
Yes, yes. And she sent it back, and I was just like, duh. Wow. So.

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So I’m like, an outside perspective, right?

Lisa [00:15:24]:
Yeah, yeah. And so that was, like, sort of in the back of my mind. And then there was a woman in my memoir group, and she was. She had, like, a basically completed manuscript, but I could see, like, a lot of holes. And I was like, why wish you’d rearrange this and do this? And so I said, why don’t you let me developmentally edit it for free? And, of course, then I was so nervous about, like, is she gonna take my critiques well? Or. So that happened, and she was so excited, and we had a couple of, like, real heart to hearts about it. And so I thought, well, I’m gonna hang up my shingle and do this. So I’ve decided I’m gonna do five for free.

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I’m doing Penny’s latest book for free. And then I met a woman at a conference who had a memoir. And so I said, I’ll do yours for free. And she said, no, I’ll pay you $200. So I just finished hers, and so I’m almost done setting up my fiverr account. Man, that’s hard.

Kathi Lipp [00:16:32]:
Yes.

Lisa [00:16:33]:
And then I’m just.

Kathi Lipp [00:16:35]:
You’re not a fraudster, right?

Lisa [00:16:37]:
Right. Yeah. And so I’m just gonna start doing that, and it’s gonna replace my dog walking that I do midday for my travel money. Well, I’m kind of blessed that I don’t need to have, like, to support myself with my writing, but I do want to make money from it. So this is, like, sort of the other half of me making money, and then hopefully, my book will make some money, too.

Kathi Lipp [00:17:07]:
I love it.

Kathi Lipp [00:17:08]:
So.

Susasn [00:17:10]:
Can I ask a quick question of lisa? Does she only do memoirs?

Lisa [00:17:14]:
Then?

Susasn [00:17:15]:
Is that. Is that, like, the only genre? You don’t do books in general. You only developmentally edit memoirs. That’s it. Is that right?

Lisa [00:17:26]:
I’ll tell you this. As a lifelong bibliophile who loves a few genres, I will developmentally edit a memoir, but I do fiction, and I would do romance as well. I might do a couple of others, like narrative non fiction. I would do. I wouldn’t do sci-Fi or mystery or thriller, because those, I would want to change them. You know, like, change the throats or we know, whatever. So I would do. I would do some different ones.

Lisa [00:18:04]:
If somebody asked me to do out of my genre, I would only do it if I felt like I could really contribute.

Kathi Lipp [00:18:14]:
I think that’s a great question.

Kathi Lipp [00:18:15]:
And so just explain, in case somebody.

Kathi Lipp [00:18:19]:
Doesn’T know, what’s the difference between a.

Kathi Lipp [00:18:21]:
Line by line editor and a developmental editor?

Kathi Lipp [00:18:24]:
Sure.

Lisa [00:18:25]:
So, line by line, you read through, and you say a period goes here, start a new paragraph. It’s this, there. Not that there kind of thing. Developmental. You take, like, a bird’s eye view. Is that what it is like from high up? And you look at it, and you see how it’s arranged. You see how the first chapter is written. Is there a good hook? You look to see if the character arcs.

Lisa [00:18:51]:
And even in nonfiction, you need to see the character arcs or the different points of your book, how they’re following through, if they’re complete. You need to make sure, if it’s fiction, that there’s the plot, and if you’re writing a romance, you need to make sure that there’s a few tropes there that people need in order to read the book. So it’s kind of just looking at it and saying, here’s a few things you could rearrange and try these things, and it’s just going to make your book more approachable for the reader.

Kathi Lipp [00:19:30]:
Yeah.

Kathi Lipp [00:19:31]:
And, you know, sometimes when you’re in.

Kathi Lipp [00:19:33]:
Your book, I always talk. You know, I get to a certain.

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Point in my book where I feel like I’m at the bottom of a.

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Deep, dark well and the pages are on the walls of the well, and I’m like this, and like, I need somebody to bring that book up and.

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Look at it in the light.

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And I can’t do that because I’m in the well.

Kathi Lipp [00:19:57]:
And so that’s what a developmental editor does.

Kathi Lipp [00:20:00]:
And they could say, hey, did your mom survive cancer? Like, you talk about your mom’s cancer journey.

Kathi Lipp [00:20:07]:
Is your mom still with it? Like, that’s an important detail.

Kathi Lipp [00:20:10]:
Right. And what I have forgotten to include, so that’s important.

Kathi Lipp [00:20:17]:
We’re going to go some questions, Cecile, saying, I need that for my devotional right now. Yeah, you need somebody else to take a look at it.

Kathi Lipp [00:20:25]:
It’s so true.

Kathi Lipp [00:20:26]:
Roger, is there anything else that I’ve.

Kathi Lipp [00:20:28]:
Missed that you feel like we should talk about here, and then I’ll open it up for questions?

Roger Lipp [00:20:36]:
No, I think the big arc here, as writers, we need to look for ways of writing and exploring means of gaining income before that big publish.

Roger Lipp [00:20:51]:
You know, what does that look like? So it’s part of the journey overall of writing, and it’s never what we expect. You know, when we dream of being a writer, it’s never, oh, good, I.

Roger Lipp [00:21:02]:
Get to write copy ads for the local fire department. Yeah, that’s not the big dream, but it might be a step that is on your journey.

Kathi Lipp [00:21:15]:
And before we open it up for questions, I’ll say, and here’s the hidden bonus.

Kathi Lipp [00:21:20]:
When you do these things, your writing gets better.

Kathi Lipp [00:21:24]:
Your writing gets so much better because you understand how to write for clarity.

Kathi Lipp [00:21:28]:
And to connect with people, and it’s a beautiful thing.

Kathi Lipp [00:21:33]:
Okay. Yeah, okay.

Kathi Lipp [00:21:35]:
We’re already making connections here.

Kathi Lipp [00:21:37]:
Okay, who has questions?

Kathi Lipp [00:21:41]:
Okay, Cecile, go for it.

Cecile [00:21:43]:
Kathy and Roger, thank you so much for this. My question has to do with the avatars and stuff. My first book was a memoir, self help, a testimony of my walk through anxiety since I was eight years old and how God healed me from that after menopause or during my menopause. Now I am writing a devotional for caregivers. And so I have a podcast that is called digging deep for treasures. And it had to do with everything that has to do with peace and achieving peace that was related to my first book now with this, how do I, do I put those two together, or do I do separate avatars?

Lisa [00:22:43]:
I think, Roger.

Roger Lipp [00:22:45]:
So we’ve struggled with this mightily as well.

Roger Lipp [00:22:51]:
Kathy’s first book was the husband project.

Roger Lipp [00:22:53]:
And it was all about marriage and.

Roger Lipp [00:22:58]:
How to connect and respect one another.

Roger Lipp [00:23:00]:
Those kinds of things, and a few.

Roger Lipp [00:23:04]:
Other marriage books in there.

Roger Lipp [00:23:06]:
But then we found clutter free. And, man, we just. Okay, all in on clutter free. So what do you do?

Roger Lipp [00:23:14]:
We have this, this historic thing of marriage, and we have this clutter free.

Roger Lipp [00:23:20]:
In that case, we decided that the avatars were too different.

Roger Lipp [00:23:24]:
We’re going to leave this marriage avatar behind, and we’re going to start new.

Roger Lipp [00:23:29]:
With a clutter free avatar. In your case, you may not be quite as separate, but that’s a decision you’ll have to make.

Roger Lipp [00:23:39]:
So, for example, clutter free and.

Roger Lipp [00:23:44]:
Homesteading.

Roger Lipp [00:23:45]:
So the accidental homesteader, you could say, well, are those really the same avatar?

Roger Lipp [00:23:50]:
And we decided that, you know, there is overlap here, so we didn’t have.

Roger Lipp [00:23:55]:
To quite abandon it as much as.

Roger Lipp [00:23:58]:
We might have feared.

Roger Lipp [00:24:00]:
But it is always a question that you have to grapple with, and I would encourage you to look for those commonalities and how do you bring one.

Roger Lipp [00:24:09]:
Audience from the other book into the next book? And even in topic selection for your.

Roger Lipp [00:24:17]:
Next book after this, you could keep that in mind.

Roger Lipp [00:24:19]:
How do I, how do I take my readers on this journey with me?

Kathi Lipp [00:24:24]:
Okay. Thank you. Love it. Lisa, did you have a question? No? Okay.

Kathi Lipp [00:24:31]:
Anybody else have a question?

Susasn [00:24:33]:
You didn’t mention this, but this is Roger, you were talking about exploring what might work for you and way back when, I used to freelance write, but it was back when you were pitching to print publications, so it’s kind of different from now. So I’ve been taking some courses and kind of reeducating myself on how to pitch to publications today. A lot of them are online, and so is in. I know that it’s difficult to make a lot of money just from selling magazine articles, but is that like, a good way? To me, that would be something that I would like. You know, I’m like, I want to write a book, but writing magazine articles is something I enjoy doing, and I really don’t want to write newsletters or edit copy for other people at this point in my writing journey. So you didn’t talk about that. But is that something, I mean, obviously you have to do that takes a lot of, I’ve got to get into the, you know, I keep writing down all the notes about making your smart goals and doing so, I’m more. I need to be more disciplined because I just spend the time doing the research of publications and who I can write for.

Susasn [00:25:56]:
And all this stuff takes a lot of time, actually.

Kathi Lipp [00:26:00]:
Yeah.

Kathi Lipp [00:26:01]:
So the reason that I didn’t mention.

Kathi Lipp [00:26:04]:
That is because I don’t know that it’s a great way to make money.

Kathi Lipp [00:26:10]:
It’s a great way to get your.

Kathi Lipp [00:26:12]:
Name out there and to be able to.

Kathi Lipp [00:26:15]:
How do I want to say this?

Kathi Lipp [00:26:17]:
It’s a great way to be able to write and get the benefit of money. But I don’t feel like it is.

Kathi Lipp [00:26:25]:
A money building strategy.

Kathi Lipp [00:26:27]:
Does that make sense?

Kathi Lipp [00:26:29]:
Like, I used to write a bunch.

Kathi Lipp [00:26:33]:
Of articles, and it was always great.

Kathi Lipp [00:26:35]:
To get that $150 or $300 or $25. Let’s be honest, I’ve done a lot.

Kathi Lipp [00:26:44]:
Of writing for places like focus on the family and things like that.

Kathi Lipp [00:26:50]:
And so it just depends if you.

Kathi Lipp [00:26:53]:
Want to be making money, then I.

Kathi Lipp [00:26:57]:
Don’T know that articles, unless you are.

Kathi Lipp [00:27:00]:
Diving deep and pitching every day, that would have to be an everyday activity.

Kathi Lipp [00:27:08]:
That’s a lot of work.

Kathi Lipp [00:27:09]:
So these other ones are easier to make money at.

Kathi Lipp [00:27:13]:
But this is an avenue.

Kathi Lipp [00:27:15]:
And I do think, you know, like.

Kathi Lipp [00:27:17]:
I follow this woman who is a actress on TikTok, and I’m not interested.

Kathi Lipp [00:27:24]:
In becoming an actress.

Kathi Lipp [00:27:25]:
But what I love, what I love about her is that, yes, she wants to be a feature in a movie, but she is also pitching for commercials. She is also pitching for online events. So I think this is, I guess I like to follow people who are aiming for their dreams and hustling at the same time.

Kathi Lipp [00:27:58]:
Like, another person I follow is a stay at home mom, and that’s what.

Kathi Lipp [00:28:02]:
She wants to be. But she does surveys, she does mystery.

Kathi Lipp [00:28:07]:
Shopping, and she’s bringing all these little.

Kathi Lipp [00:28:09]:
Bits of money together, and it adds up. So I think it’s not my top way of earning money, but it’s a.

Kathi Lipp [00:28:18]:
Great way as a writer who’s passionate.

Kathi Lipp [00:28:20]:
About their topic to be able to earn some money.

Kathi Lipp [00:28:24]:
There’s a difference.

Kathi Lipp [00:28:25]:
Does your focus have to be money.

Kathi Lipp [00:28:27]:
Through writing, or is it passionate with money?

Kathi Lipp [00:28:30]:
You know, what is the leader in that?

Kathi Lipp [00:28:33]:
So, yeah, that’s what I would say. This has been great, you guys.

Kathi Lipp [00:28:37]:
I hope you guys have a great day, and thank you for participating. It’s always so much fun when we have people here.